Haarajot
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Post by Haarajot on Oct 5, 2018 9:36:31 GMT -5
I also imagine Boromir as being very like Ecthelion, whose approval Denethor never quite feels he entirely has. (More headcanon.) Ooooh. *sucks in breath* Now you made that my headcanon too. I already thought that Denethor never liked Thorongil because his father liked him so much.
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Post by altariel on Oct 5, 2018 9:59:55 GMT -5
I also imagine Boromir as being very like Ecthelion, whose approval Denethor never quite feels he entirely has. (More headcanon.) Ooooh. *sucks in breath* Now you made that my headcanon too. I already thought that Denethor never liked Thorongil because his father liked him so much. Yes indeed, second to the stranger.
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Post by gwynnyd on Oct 5, 2018 12:33:44 GMT -5
My headcanon has always had it that Thorongil left Gondor when he did *because* there was a faction that would have supported him to replace the Steward when Ecthelion died, especially on the high of the success of the raid. As Denethor would not have gone quietly, even if Aragorn could have proved his title to be King and bringing Sauron's wrath even harder and faster down on Gondor, Aragorn went away to avoid another civil war and kin-strife that Gondor could in no-wise afford.
I always considered that his long term plan in going to Gondor at all was to marry into the line of Stewards and have his *heirs* rightfully ruling Gondor right under Sauron's nose. Well, that didn't work out...
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Post by Lia on Oct 5, 2018 13:32:55 GMT -5
Eomer was fortunate to avoid the slinker, and the only comparable situation is when he might have killed Grima (but didn't). And remember, he even fights the Uruk-hai honourably, instead of just hewing them down from horseback: So it was that they did not see the last stand, when Uglúk was overtaken and brought to bay at the very edge of Fangorn. There he was slain at last by Éomer, the Third Marshal of the Mark, who dismounted and fought him sword to sword. So I agree, 'killing indiscriminately' doesn't sound right to me either. In the same vein Théodred and Théoden had to die so Éomer, Aragorn's friend, could become king of Rohan. (Talking about (in)discrimate killing. But even so he kills Théodred off-stage and Théoden is so old that going to his fathers, 'in whose mighty company he will not now feel ashamed' is perhaps not such a terrible fate. I've always felt that Tolkien was really rather softhearted concerning his characters. I always considered that his long term plan in going to Gondor at all was to marry into the line of Stewards and have his *heirs* rightfully ruling Gondor right under Sauron's nose. Well, that didn't work out... Now that's a fascinating idea!
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Post by sian22 on Oct 5, 2018 13:44:37 GMT -5
I always considered that his long term plan in going to Gondor at all was to marry into the line of Stewards and have his *heirs* rightfully ruling Gondor right under Sauron's nose. Well, that didn't work out... V interesting headcanon.... grin
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Post by adaneth on Oct 5, 2018 14:17:51 GMT -5
Oh, this is worrying. Oldest tradition of Celtic studies in the UK, but the courses are currently under review I hear some archaeology programs are on the edge as well.
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Post by altariel on Oct 5, 2018 14:53:18 GMT -5
It’s all falling apart over here.
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Post by gwynnyd on Oct 6, 2018 10:10:22 GMT -5
I always considered that his long term plan in going to Gondor at all was to marry into the line of Stewards and have his *heirs* rightfully ruling Gondor right under Sauron's nose. Well, that didn't work out... V interesting headcanon.... grin AFAIK, Aragorn was not written as a stupid man; mythically heroic, yes, but still not stupid. So what was the point of abandoning his responsibilities in the north and heading south for twenty-five years? He could not have known that he would eventually get to be legitimately king of Gondor and might need the background, so why go there and stay for so long? He had no real hope that Arwen would warm to him in the way he would like at that point. I can't see him merely running away from it all. Young, heroic, trained by elves who think long term compared to Men, knowing the heir of Isildur would always be hunted... why not try and slip the blood line back into Gondor? He could have gone to see if it was possible to bring up the Northern line as still having a claim, but it wouldn't take 20 years and becoming a Captain of Gondor to figure out that the Stewards weren't going to just step aside. And there is still the problem of Sauron, rising to power again right about now, who would be really pissed if a legitimate king came back. I think it came down to that there wasn't a suitable woman to marry and/or that his heart was inconveniently constant. Other people don't think of these things? Weird...
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Post by sian22 on Oct 6, 2018 10:57:43 GMT -5
V interesting headcanon.... grin Other people don't think of these things? Weird... I suspect it is partly that the Appendix description of his meeting with Arwen has such a reverent feeling, of being foreordained and settled history told laterly (as it was meant to be), that most of us didn't give it another thought
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